Course Lab
Interview with Ellen Finkelstein
PowerPoint MVP & Course Creator
Interview Summary
Ellen Finkelstein is a PowerPoint MVP and author of books on AutoCAD and PowerPoint from McGraw-Hill and Wiley. Her course, Knowledge to Income Roadmap, is a four-month, $1,997 program that teaches experts how to build an online business around their knowledge. Rather than building the entire course before testing it, she broke it into five separate micro pilots — three workshops at $47-$97 and two five-day challenges at $27 — sold over five consecutive months. The approach let her get paid to test while gathering feedback, testimonials, and worksheets that made assembling the full course dramatically easier.
From $2.50 Per Book to 90% Margins
Ellen started her career writing technical books for publishers like McGraw-Hill and Wiley. One of her books ran to 1,200 pages and retailed for $50 — earning her a 10 percent royalty on the wholesale price, or about $2.50 per copy. When she realized she could write an ebook, sell it for $20, and keep $19, the math became obvious. She built her audience through blogging and eventually transitioned to online courses. This illustrates a broader point: paying attention to the opportunities around you, even simple ones like the economics of self-publishing versus traditional publishing, can open up entirely new business models.
I was getting like 10% royalty of the wholesale price of the book. So one of my books ended up being 1200 pages and $50 retail. And so I would get $2.50 per book, but I could write an ebook and sell it for $20 and get $19.
Five Micro Pilots Instead of One Big Course
Ellen knew her full course would take about four months for students to complete. Building all that content before testing felt like too big a project. So she broke the curriculum into five separate mini-programs — each covering one stage of her roadmap — and sold them individually over five months. The first was a $47 workshop on creating a client-attracting message. The second was a $27 five-day challenge to create a one-page freebie. Others covered list building, subscriber relationships, and creating a short report product. Each micro pilot produced feedback, testimonials, and polished materials. By the end, assembling the full course was dramatically easier because all the components had been tested and refined with real participants.
My purpose wasn't to sell something. My purpose was to test my course.
Implementation Over Information
Ellen found that the five-day challenge format was particularly effective for driving implementation. One participant said it was the best challenge she had ever taken because she could see that the skill — batch-creating emails and blog posts — was something she could use for years. The short timeframe created urgency and focus that longer programs struggle to maintain. Ellen also gave bonuses to anyone who actually posted a working opt-in page during the challenge, which pushed participants through the technical infrastructure that often becomes a sticking point. For her full course, she addresses the ongoing challenge of maintaining momentum over four months by coaching students on time management: structuring their day so that 9 AM is for list building, 10 AM for finding partners, and content creation fills the afternoon.
She said, I saw that by doing that I would have a skill that I could use for years. And so I was really inspired to get that done.
Designing for the Working-From-Home Reality
One of Ellen's most distinctive insights is about the environmental context of online learners. People working for themselves from home face constant competing demands. They respond to whatever pops up rather than following a structured schedule. The course they want to learn from sits at the bottom of their priority list. Ellen actively addresses this dynamic by coaching students on daily structure and, counterintuitively, telling them not to look at email or social media until 11 AM. This is the often-overlooked environmental design piece — understanding not just how to create compelling content but what the real-world context is in which someone will actually try to work through your course.
Ellen's Action Steps
Ellen recommends these 3 steps to improve your course planning:
Break your big course into micro pilots
Instead of building your entire course before testing, identify the three to five stages of your curriculum and sell each as a standalone workshop or challenge. Use the feedback, testimonials, and materials you gather to assemble the full course with confidence.
Use short challenges to drive implementation
Five-day challenges create urgency that longer programs cannot match. Design each challenge so participants walk away with a tangible deliverable — a completed freebie, a pricing model, a published page — not just knowledge.
Coach students on their working environment, not just your content
Acknowledge that your students are likely juggling many competing demands. Help them structure their day for learning, set boundaries on distractions like email and social media, and design your course cadence around realistic time commitments.
About Ellen Finkelstein
PowerPoint MVP & Course Creator
Ellen Finkelstein is a recognized expert, speaker, and writer who has authored books on AutoCAD and PowerPoint for publishers including McGraw-Hill and Wiley. She is a PowerPoint MVP and runs Change the World Marketing, where she teaches experts how to build online businesses around their knowledge through her Knowledge to Income Roadmap program. She pioneered a micro-pilot approach to course testing, validating her four-month curriculum through five separate mini-programs before assembling the full course.
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