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    The Science of Building Courses for Clients with Dave Lakhani

    Dave Lakhani runs a course development agency that builds research-validated, bespoke courses for health and wellness experts — from audience surveys through beta testing to launch

    Guest: Dave LakhaniUpdated April 2026

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    Interview with Dave Lakhani

    CEO, Bold Approach

    Interview Summary

    Dave Lakhani, an award-winning author and the CEO of Bold Approach, runs a digital marketing agency that builds bespoke courses for clients — primarily in health and wellness. His agency handles everything from audience surveys and scientific validation through content creation, beta testing, and marketing. His background is unusual: raised in a cult from age 6 to 16, he became a lifelong student of persuasion and influence. His course development process is rigorously data-driven, with built-in quality gates, and he brings a persuasion expert's perspective to course design — including techniques like hidden bonus content and strategic course section naming to keep learners engaged.

    From Cult Survivor to Persuasion Expert

    Dave was raised in a cult from age six until he left at sixteen. That experience sparked a lifelong study of persuasion and human influence that became the foundation of his career. He earned his college degree through postal mail while deployed in the military — receiving assignments, completing them, and mailing them back to instructors. That early experience of distance learning taught him that the format was efficient but not always effective, and it drove him to think carefully about how adults actually learn and retain information. His agency now builds courses for clients who lack the technical capacity or time to do it themselves, handling everything from research to platform setup to marketing.

    I was raised in a cult from the time I was six until I was 16. And that started a study of persuasion and human influence that has lasted the rest of my life.

    The Research-First Process

    Dave's agency begins every project with audience surveys — asking whether the topic is viable, what the audience wants to learn, what they would be willing to pay, and gathering unexpected ideas to include. Only after validating demand do they sit down with the subject matter expert to outline learning objectives and desired outcomes. Then they cross-reference the outline against existing research, looking for gaps the expert has not covered. A project that started as one fertility course for plant-based dieters turned into three: a preparation course, a fertility course, and a postpartum course — with additional sections they had not anticipated, like guidance for partners who eat differently. This expansion changed everything from pricing structure to marketing strategy.

    We start usually with a survey of the audience and ask them questions about whether or not they would be interested in this information, what other information they might be interested in.

    Beta Testing with Layered Feedback

    After producing roughly 10 percent of the content, Dave's team starts internal review — first within their agency, then with the client's organization, and finally with external beta testers. They use a combination of surveys, personal interviews, screen recordings, and quizzes to understand how people engage with the material. They deliberately recruit testers across a spectrum: ideal-fit candidates alongside people who are only marginally interested, to see where different learner types succeed or struggle. This layered approach sometimes leads to an abort decision — clients realize the review process requires dozens or even hundreds of hours on their end and decide the initiative is not right for the moment. But for those who continue, the refinement produces courses that are rigorously validated.

    We try to find people who are really good fits, and then people who are marginally good fits, so that we see in that whole spectrum where people perform and where we need to perform better.

    Internal Marketing: Keeping Learners Engaged Throughout

    Dave's persuasion background shapes a distinctive approach to course design. He does not take for granted that enrolled students are motivated to complete the course. Instead, he bakes internal marketing throughout: strategically naming course sections with titles that create curiosity, embedding hidden bonus content as easter eggs that reward completion, and designing the pacing around how distracted modern learners actually are. He advocates for two- to five-minute video segments with a clear takeaway at the end of each, rather than the 45-minute classroom-style sessions that were common in earlier generations of online courses. As Danny noted in the debrief, this integration of persuasion principles with instructional design is unusual and valuable — constantly re-hooking attention and selling the value of the next section.

    We want to create a little bit of that hidden desire and genuine surprise when they find something that they didn't know existed, and they didn't feel like they knew they would get.

    Dave's Action Steps

    Dave recommends these 3 steps to improve your course planning:

    1

    Survey your audience before building anything

    Run audience surveys to validate demand, identify what people want to learn, what they would pay, and what gaps exist in available content. You may discover your one-course idea is actually three courses, or that the market wants something different than you assumed.

    2

    Beta test with a spectrum of learners at 10 percent completion

    Do not wait until your course is finished to test it. After creating roughly 10 percent of the content, put it in front of both ideal-fit and marginal-fit testers. Use surveys, interviews, screen recordings, and quizzes to understand where people succeed and struggle.

    3

    Bake internal marketing into your course design

    Do not assume enrolled students will stay motivated. Give course sections compelling titles that create curiosity. Add hidden bonus content as rewards for completion. Keep videos to two to five minutes with a clear takeaway at the end of each segment.

    About Dave Lakhani

    CEO, Bold Approach

    Dave Lakhani is an award-winning author and expert consultant who serves as CEO of Bold Approach, a digital marketing agency that builds bespoke courses for clients in the health and wellness space. His background in persuasion — rooted in surviving a cult from age 6 to 16 — informs a rigorously data-driven approach to course development. His agency handles the full lifecycle from audience research and scientific validation through content creation, beta testing, and marketing launch.

    Award-Winning Author
    CEO, Bold Approach
    Persuasion & Influence Expert

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    Topics:
    course development
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    research
    health courses
    persuasion

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