Course Lab
Interview with David H. Lawrence XVII
Actor, Voiceover Coach, Creator of VO Heroes
Interview Summary
David H. Lawrence XVII spent nearly 40 years in radio and has appeared in over 100 television series — most famously as the Puppet Master on NBC's Heroes. He built VO Heroes, a 36-course voiceover curriculum covering technology, performance, business, and mindset, plus monthly "workouts" where students practice live copy with coaching. The episode explores how to structure a comprehensive curriculum, the art of helping performers unlearn bad habits, and why giving artists a permission slip to embrace marketing is a mission worth pursuing.
From Radio Veteran to 36-Course Curriculum
David H. Lawrence XVII's voiceover teaching career began almost by accident. At an acting class in Los Angeles, he ducked into a corner during a break to record an audition on his new iPhone and send it to his agent. Another actor asked what he was doing, and that conversation snowballed into his first live classes. Over time, those classes moved online — well before the pandemic — because voiceover work has been remote for decades. "One of the dirty little secrets of voiceover is that during the pandemic, it was among our more successful years," he says, "because we were already well suited and well equipped to do this kind of work." Today, VO Heroes is a 36-course curriculum covering everything from equipment setup to performance categories to building a voiceover business and cultivating the right mindset. He also created a free course during the early pandemic months called "Teach Your Stuff Online" for the 1,300 teachers who suddenly had to figure out remote instruction with no training.
I did what any good entrepreneur does, and I put together not just a course, but a series of courses in a curriculum that teach people how to go from not knowing much to knowing enough to be competitive and pursue a professional voiceover career.
Helping Performers Unlearn the Announcer Voice
A large segment of David's students come from radio, where they were rewarded for years — sometimes decades — for being an announcer with a big voice. "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail," he says. The hardest part of teaching voiceover is not adding new skills but giving people permission to stop performing and start being themselves. He describes a recent workout with a brand-new student who came straight from the radio studio. David helped the student reset who they were speaking to — an audience of one rather than thousands — and adjust the imagined distance to that person. Then he turned the copy on its head: "What if you were complaining about this, instead of promoting this?" The choices multiplied immediately. "Just seeing the choices begin to multiply for my students is so lovely," he says. The technical skill in voiceover, it turns out, is largely about getting out of your own way.
So much of what I do is making sure that my clients and students have the joy of making money from being themselves. When they discover that moment, it's always a lovely thing for me.
Workouts, Gamification, and the $150 Microphone
David uses the performing arts term "workouts" for his monthly coaching sessions — a deliberate choice of professional language. Once a month, students choose from a team of eight coaches, each with their own specialty. They join via Zoom with cameras off (to preserve audio bandwidth), bring three pieces of copy, and receive live coaching on performance and direction. Alongside the workouts, there is an accountability session David runs for all students on business and mindset. In the self-paced coursework, he uses LearnDash with gamification to keep students progressing through a specific sequence — equipment first, then performance, then business. He uses open loops from one course to the next and leapfrogging techniques to maintain engagement. He also gives every new student the same microphone he uses himself: the Audio-Technica AT2020USB+, about $150 on Amazon. He calls himself "the frugal voiceover talent" and is on a mission to keep students from throwing money at problems they do not need to solve.
I'm kind of like the frugal voiceover talent. I don't want you to overspend. I don't want you to throw money at problems if you don't have to.
Giving Performers a Permission Slip to Market Themselves
The conversation closes with David's core mission: helping creative professionals embrace marketing. Many actors, he observes, tell themselves a story that if they embrace a productive relationship with money, they are selling out. David pushes back hard: "You're the original entrepreneurs. Performers have been running around the countryside with little suitcases filled with costumes, putting on plays for the villages for millennia." He dedicates podcast episodes to the topic and tries to reframe marketing as a joy rather than a necessary evil. In the debrief, Abe highlights the theme of authenticity — both in the coaching (helping people sound like themselves rather than an announcer) and in the business (treating marketing as an authentic expression of your work). Danny adds the importance of being overt about priorities: David structures his entire business so that it can pause if he gets booked for an acting role, and both he and his students share that understanding without drama.
Performers, we've been running around the countryside with our little suitcases filled with costumes and makeup and putting on plays for the villages for millennia. We've been marketers, like it or not, for a long time.
David's Action Steps
David recommends these 3 steps to improve your course planning:
Use professional language from your field in your course
David calls his coaching sessions "workouts" — the term performers use for practice. Adopting the professional language of your field signals credibility and sets expectations. Consider which terms from your domain could replace generic labels like "session" or "module."
Design your business around your real priorities
David built his business so it can pause when he gets booked for an acting role, and both he and his students understand that. Be overt about what comes first. This clarity reduces friction and earns respect.
Look for content you can repurpose rather than create from scratch
David's upcoming "Author as Narrator" course is largely repurposed from his existing professional narrator training with new wraparounds for authors. Audit your existing courses for modules that could serve a different audience with modest adaptation.
About David H. Lawrence XVII
Actor, Voiceover Coach, Creator of VO Heroes
David H. Lawrence XVII is an actor, voiceover coach, and audio expert with nearly 40 years of experience in radio and over 100 television credits, including his role as the Puppet Master on NBC's Heroes. He created VO Heroes, a 36-course curriculum that trains aspiring and working voice actors in performance, technology, business, and mindset. He also hosts a weekly podcast supporting voiceover professionals and has produced over 12,000 podcast episodes across audio and video.
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