Course Lab
Interview with Debra Cady
Licensed Clinical Social Worker; Founder, Silver Linings International
Interview Summary
Debra Cady is a licensed clinical social worker with 30+ years in behavioral health who went from "I have no idea what b2b means" to running five courses in three years. Her flagship is a 10-week academy that teaches mental health professionals how to engage youth and young adults (ages 16-26) in systems change without tokenizing or re-traumatizing them. She sells through B2B sole-source contracts to federally funded organizations, charges $1,997 per seat, and uses independent pre/post evaluation to prove impact — all while running her entire operation on Ruzuku and Zoom.
A Social Worker's Pandemic Pivot
Debra Cady left a grant-funded position in November 2019 planning to consult independently. Within months, the pandemic shut everything down and her one small contract was put on hold. Overqualified for local positions ("too expensive, too overqualified"), she started exploring how to reach people online. She found Ruzuku — "I was looking for something friendly" — and enrolled in Mirasee's course builders program. By the end of 2020, she had launched her first pilot. Three years later, she was running five courses. "I went from not even knowing this was possible to being a really successful course creator and teacher," she says. The market research phase, which required calling former colleagues to pitch a new venture, was the most uncomfortable part. "You have to set your ego aside and say, this is what I'm trying to do." But those calls turned into referrals: of the 40 people in her pilots, she knew only about six. The rest came through word of mouth from the contacts she was afraid to call.
I was terrified and I was afraid and I did it anyway. And the people I reached out to during market research became my champions. They referred me to people who enrolled in my pilots — I didn't even know most of them.
B2B Sole-Source Contracts in the Nonprofit World
Cady's business model is B2B, though she did not know that term when she started. She reaches out to federally funded Healthy Transition grant communities — organizations she used to work alongside — and positions her training as a way to meet grant goals, retain staff, and build a workforce resistant to secondary traumatic stress. The sales cycle involves contracts, purchase orders, or memorandums of agreement. In several cases, she has secured sole-source agreements by demonstrating that no one else offers this particular training. Once an organization signs on, Cady then markets to the individuals the organization selects — becoming B2C at that stage. She charges $1,997 per student for the 10-week academy, which is high-touch and roughly 90% live. She justifies the price by pointing to the breadth of transformation: "They put it on their resume. They're better at project management. They're better at so many other things." And she pushes back on the assumption that nonprofits cannot pay: "Just because an organization is a nonprofit doesn't mean they don't have money to invest in their employees."
Just because an organization is a nonprofit doesn't mean that they don't have money to invest in their employees. It's really a matter of what they value.
From Therapist to Instructional Designer
Cady is candid about what she lacked: educational design skills. "I'm very comfortable talking to people I don't know — that's what social workers do. But I really lacked the educational design part." Early on, she felt her approach was "a little bit shotgun" — throwing material at students without a clear instructional framework. She spent a year working through Rebecca Cuevas's Course Design Formula, rebuilding all her modules based on the nine elements of good instruction. She also hired an independent evaluator to create pre/post surveys using Google Forms. The evaluation serves two purposes: it provides data to organizations asking "Where's the proof this works?" and it gives Cady a feedback loop to identify which concepts students are actually learning and which need to be taught differently. "I wanted to bring credibility into my courses," she says. "Many of the organizations were saying, where's the data, Debra?"
If you want to be successful as a teacher, then you need to learn what the teachers know. The biggest area of growing for me was learning how to be an excellent teacher.
Brave Space as the Foundation of Learning
Every class begins the same way. Cady asks all students to type "brave space" in the chat — a commitment to holding the classroom accountable as both safe and brave. The concept is embedded in the orientation module on Ruzuku, in the discussion forums, and in every live session. "In my world, many people have traumatic backgrounds or lived experience, and they've had negative experiences in this type of room," she explains. Creating a safe environment is the first requirement. In the debrief, Abe emphasizes the broader lesson: domain expertise does not automatically translate into effective teaching. Cady's willingness to invest a full year in instructional design training — and then add independent evaluation on top of that — is the path that most course creators should follow but rarely do. Danny adds that Cady's story embodies the principle of "putting something out there is good enough," then systematically raising the bar. She launched imperfect pilots, earned back her investment, and then spent a year rebuilding the pedagogy.
When people feel safe and they know that you're authentic and genuine, they can step out of their comfort zone. Creating a safe environment is the absolute first thing that people need to do.
Debra's Action Steps
Debra recommends these 3 steps to improve your course planning:
Pursue B2B sole-source agreements in your niche
Cady demonstrates that nobody else is doing her specific training and secures sole-source contracts with funded organizations. If you serve a professional field, identify the organizations with training budgets and position your course as the only option that addresses their specific need.
Add independent pre/post evaluation to your course
Cady works with an evaluator to create Google Form surveys administered before and after the course. The data serves dual purposes: it proves impact to institutional buyers and it shows you which concepts students are actually learning. It does not need to be expensive or complicated.
Invest in instructional design as a separate skill
Being an expert in your field does not make you an expert teacher. Cady spent a full year learning instructional design principles and rebuilding her course modules. The investment paid off in higher engagement, stronger outcomes, and the credibility to charge premium prices.
About Debra Cady
Licensed Clinical Social Worker; Founder, Silver Linings International
Debra Cady is a licensed clinical social worker and certified Appreciative Inquiry facilitator with 30+ years of experience in behavioral health. She is the founder and CEO of Silver Linings International, which offers virtual training courses for professionals who work with youth and young adults ages 16-26 with mental health challenges. She went from launching her first pilot in 2020 to running five courses within three years, serving hundreds of professionals across child welfare, juvenile justice, university settings, and mental health organizations.
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